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Poster: jonc Date: Jul 22, 2010 4:16pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: site banned here so can't download ?!?

Contact me with a list. I'll post them on my website.

jon AT jcosby DOT com

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Poster: dawncoming Date: Jul 22, 2010 9:10pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: site banned here so can't download ?!?

Thanks! meanwhile I will try to work out the unix thing...I only used Linux before...

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Poster: jonc Date: Jul 23, 2010 9:04am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: site banned here so can't download ?!?

I will be glad to help. Linux is Unix based, but I think what stbalbach meant to suggest was to log into a remote account via SSH.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Shell_account

This post was modified by jonc on 2010-07-23 16:04:02

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Poster: jonc Date: Jul 23, 2010 10:11am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: site banned here so can't download ?!?

Curious, why is the Archive blocked? Bandwidth?

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Poster: stbalbach Date: Jul 23, 2010 12:31pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: site banned here so can't download ?!?

Overseas. I think IA blocks downloads for books published after 1880 or so, for foreign users, to make sure it doesn't violate international laws. So if you had a unix shell account in the US you can get around it. Proxies might work but two people now say they don't - probably blocked/detected by IA. Maybe a private proxy based in the US would work.

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Poster: anthonypaul Date: Jul 24, 2010 8:53am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: site banned here so can't download ?!?

Does anyone know which countries actually apply this 1880 date, which is 130 years ago? In the UK its 70 years after the death of the writer, so works published here for writers who died pre 1940 should be out of copyright, and Google ought to handle it. Can anyone point to an authoritative summary of the position?

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Poster: stbalbach Date: Jul 24, 2010 9:58am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: site banned here so can't download ?!?

I may be wrong about the 1880 date, it's a number pulled from hazy memory. Looking at one of the books mentioned above, which was having trouble downloading outside the US:

http://www.archive.org/details/moonsixpence00mauguoft

In the file meta.xml (under "All Files:HTTP"), it has this tag:

copyright-region:US

This tag was added by the scanning library, University of Toronto. The book was published in 1919.

If as an example we look at all the books scanned by the UoT (scanningcenter:uoft) with a publication date of 1880 (date:1880) and copyright region of US (copyright-region:US) (search here)

..there are a lot of hits.. change the date to 1860.. 1850.. 1840.. still lots of hits. So something funny is going on here. This is probably telling us these books are probably incorrectly tagged as "copyright-region:US", or there is some policy we don't know about.

But look at this: of the subset of UofT books, only books with a publicdate:2008 and earlier have the copyright-region tag. Books uploaded more recently (2009 and 2010) do not have the tag. This further hints an error in the data .. it looks like they stopped using the tag recently and probably need to go back and remove the copyright-region tag from earlier works.

This post was modified by stbalbach on 2010-07-24 16:58:40

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Poster: anthonypaul Date: Jul 24, 2010 11:19am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: site banned here so can't download ?!?

Thanks for the prompt response.

I have checked various fact sheets published for the UK Museums and archives world, and they all say its 70 years.

An allied problem I have had when consulting Google Books is the discovery that on occasion a book which is well out of copyright being published mid C19 is only available in snippit view, and not the full text. I don't see the point of this, unless its someone being careless with the metadata when the book was originally scanned. Any ideas?

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Poster: jonc Date: Jul 24, 2010 11:42am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: site banned here so can't download ?!?

> I have checked various fact sheets published for
> the UK Museums and archives world, and they all
> say its 70 years.

That's British law. Each country has their own laws, and it would be nearly impossible to enforce them individually. I imagine this is why the Archive has a blanket rule for overseas.

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Poster: stbalbach Date: Jul 24, 2010 12:07pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: site banned here so can't download ?!?

List of countries' copyright length. Even worse case 120 years or so would be max, but there are books much older with the copyright-region:US tag

Based on my searches above, it sort of looks like some of the scanning libraries are/were using the copyright-region tag inappropriately. It's easy to imagine a minimum wage scanner thinking "it's a US book, so it's in the US copyright region", when in fact the tag means "restricted to US downloaders only", or confusion over what dates should be restricted (like the confusion we're having now!). Or there being a change in policy on how the tag is interpreted, so books scanned earlier with the tag are now restricted that didn't use to be. This is all conjecture, but the inconsistency of the tags use is suggestive.

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Poster: jonc Date: Jul 24, 2010 1:09pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: site banned here so can't download ?!?

Thanks for the list. Somebody had a lot of time on their hands :)

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Poster: elmagno Date: Aug 2, 2010 7:17pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: site banned here so can't download ?!?

It's called research.

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Poster: anthonypaul Date: Jul 24, 2010 12:46pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: site banned here so can't download ?!?

"restricted to US downloaders only". Why should that be? Surely this is an unjustifiable restriction on international readers. Sounds very much like the regional restrictions on music and video CDs and DVDs. Should not apply to texts,and certainly not public domain ones.

Thanks for the list of copyright extents. A scan down shows only a handful over 70 years and these in small African and Latin American countries. None anywhere near 130!

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